March 3, 2026
The Power Of The Life Review with Bob Coppes
In this eye-opening episode of Dial Up Intuition, I welcome back Bob Coppes—scientist, speaker, and near-death experience researcher—for an intimate conversation about one of the most transformative aspects of an NDE: the Life Review.
Bob explains how experiencers are shown scenes from their lives with astonishing clarity—but not just from their own point of view. They feel the emotional impact their choices had on others, both positively and negatively, as if they were in the other person’s shoes. It’s a powerful, often overwhelming awakening to how deeply interconnected we all are.
While the review is always presented in an atmosphere of unconditional love, it leaves a lasting impression. Many experiencers return with a clear mission: to live more consciously, more compassionately—and to never again cause harm they might later have to relive through another’s perspective.
Whether you've had an NDE or are simply curious about the spiritual blueprint behind our actions, this conversation offers deep insights into why love, empathy, and awareness matter more than we ever realized.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What if you could feel how every choice you've made affected the people around you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Near death experiences often go through what's called a life review.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they don't just see their actions, they feel them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Through the eyes and hearts of everyone they've encountered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In this episode, I talk with Researcher Bob Copes about why these reviews are so transformative and how each of us will one day experience our own.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Their stories offer a powerful opportunity to live more consciously, with more love, starting now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Dial Up Intuition, a podcast that invites you to awaken and expand your intuition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Kat Sanders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a radio and television broadcaster before a massive brain hemorrhage caused me to flatline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That life-changing event led to a beautiful near-death experience, and when I came back, I returned with some profound truths and the ability to connect with the other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In this podcast we'll explore these truths and learn how to strengthen your intuition and intuitive gifts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll hear conversations with remarkable intuitives who share how their gifts came alive, evolved, and became part of their daily lives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So whether you're just beginning your intuitive journey, or you're ready to go deeper, this is your space to be inspired, guided, and reminded that your intuitive gift was always within you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's begin and dial up our intuition together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I am here with Robert Christopher Cops and I am bringing him back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert is a scientist former banker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has spent decades exploring near death experiences and sharing his insights through lectures across the United States and Europe and his latest book impressions of near death experiences is a rich tapestry of quotes from hundreds of experiences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When he regards as life's greatest teachers, he serves on the board of the International Association for near-death studies, he is currently residing in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, where he volunteers with children who are struggling in school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know you are writing another book and I can't wait to have that one come out because I love your current book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I am really glad to have you here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to talk today about life reviews.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you for coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for having me catch again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, the next book is just the second edition of the first one with some editions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's I'm working on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OK. Good, good, good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So life reviews.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So first of all, what is a life review?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who gets some explain what I'm going to use all about?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, a life review is a very special interesting art of an NDE and not everyone has the same near death experience, not the same NDE.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's I always want to say that up front to people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They all differ.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are all different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and a number of those, or a subset of the NDE's, there is a life review, and a life review is exactly what it says it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It gives you a review of your life, and it can be a part of your life, it can be the whole life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It can show in different ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people say it's like a film that is being played before you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people say it's like pictures that are there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And some people say, oh, there was one person he said, it was like I was standing in the middle of a football stadium.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And where all the people were sitting, there were television screens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I could just focus on one screen and see that episode in my life that was a specific specifically dedicated to that part of my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I would turn and look somewhere else, I would see something else of my life, but my whole life was there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I find the most interesting part of a life review in an
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[SPEAKER_00]: is where people constantly say, you see what you did to others but from different points of view.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see it from your own point of view, of course, because you were the doer or the one who was acting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you see it also from all the other people that were there that you
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it can be anything nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what you see, but you see it from the other point of view.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you become the others.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if it is something nice, you will revel in the fact that you did something nice, you will be happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you did something less lovingly,
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[SPEAKER_00]: then you will suffer from that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You will feel the pain on behalf of the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is really what I understand from people of AdSuch and Experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is, that can be very painful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a life changer, the whole thing, the whole near death experience, is a life changer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But having a life review where you feel what others went through because of what you did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is even more so a life changer because when you come back again, you think twice before you do something else or when you do something nasty to people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to stress also that near death experiences don't become saints.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So after their experience that they can do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've said that nasty things to people, we are always human beings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are still making mistakes, but they know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they know that other people have feelings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They become more empathetic, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had a bit of a life review, but I feel like I got a little bit
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it, uh, I actually had a couple of lessons I went into this like missed, which was really weird, like I was kind of in or on a cloud kind of in and I had this lesson that was like, you know a couple of things wrong and you need to learn the right way and I had this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: line up of individuals and this is what I was taught in the church that I attended for a long time and it was a lineup of okay this is how you think the hierarchy goes for who's good and who's not and it's like okay so these are the people that don't sin much or their sins are very limited and then these are the people who sin more and these are the people that are bad because
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[SPEAKER_01]: of what your religion has taught you and what you've got stuck in your head, you know, these people are these people are really good and these people aren't so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, because this person has this religion that you think is totally wrong and this person sinned because they did this bad thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then this lineup of people was all kind of mushed together
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then this source, this godlike person kind of wrapped his big old arms around these now small people, but all one and said, would I forsake any of my children, they're all the same, they're all equal in my eyes and you do not have the right to judge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and they're all the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was basically shown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you've got this all wrong, you know, yeah, you have it wrong, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can imagine that because that's also what I understood from NDE or is there, there is no hierarchy there, is there is no better people or lesser people or richer people there, there's no materiality there, so it being rich here doesn't mean anything there, and we are all the same, we are all
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[SPEAKER_00]: loved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are all of equal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then I was shown I was shown a few things that had happened to me that were that were bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some bad experiences that things that had happened to me that were very painful and frightening and and such that I had been through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then those things had affected
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I reacted to that in a way that I took it out on, well, this one, this one girl that wanted to be my friend and it was like, no, no, because you have that kind of an accent and you come from that place and so I'm afraid of you because you're going to be in a gang and they're going to hurt me and so she just wanted to be my friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was shown how much I hurt that person by rejecting her friendship and what it did to her and how it made her not want to be friends with people like me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a life review lesson for me and even though I had grown up and I wasn't like that anymore, it still showed me what I did and how it hurt her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a big life lesson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, then I was shown, you look into people's eyes and you see who they are and you see that they are all beautiful people with source and oneness in them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you stop judging people based on the fact that you were hurt, the fact that you were injured,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was my life review and it wasn't, it was a kind of a mini life review because I didn't get to see like you were explaining, but it was enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I came back realizing that I have got to forget about things that may have happened to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And apparently this story is so important for you in the rest of your life that maybe that was enough for you to see while being on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And some people need to see the whole thing, the whole life they had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then bring that back here to tell people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for you, that was, and it shows me that another thing that I understood from near-death experiences is that beer, which you had for the the girl because you thought she came from a certain background and you were afraid of that, beer is destructive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has nothing to do with law.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's understandable, your reaction as a child, of course, everyone's reaction is understandable in the end, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why on the other side, there is no judgment, also, something we should talk about too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you would have been more loving to her instead of being afraid, then things would
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it would have added more energy to the world, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I say that not that I want to correct you or so, whatever, that's not the reason why I say it is, we all have fears, and every time we are afraid of something, it reduces the energy, it reduces the love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fear is a very,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, bad or sad thing to have, because it makes a lot of, it breaks a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even though I got jipped, I didn't have like a lot of people or like some people have had, but it has included the good things that I did and other things, I got what I needed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is the same, and this is something I need to get over is that yes, I was hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that I need to look in people's eyes and see that everyone is one with me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing that I said just before is that there is no judgment, that's very important of life views too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I understand from the end of the years is that the life review shows can show everything apparently in your case, not everything, but you can see anything what you did and you will feel it from the other point of view, you will be that other person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you will feel not very happy when you did something not so positive to someone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in the end there is no judgment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is no one telling you you did it so wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to go here or there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to go to hell or progatory or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not it's not there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and that makes it very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to give you an example from my book, also, there was his boy of 14 who, who, who, downed and has, uh, NDE and in his NDE, he was in the presence of an angel and he, uh, he was showed his life review and then at the end of it, um, and he said to the angel,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then the the angel said you're going to be judged by the most powerful judge there is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the boy said, uh, oh, and when is that going to happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the angel said, it already has happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The judge is you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it means that there is no judge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if there is a judge, then it's you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can judge yourself sufficiently when you are in the presence of this
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[SPEAKER_00]: all loving, sports, and with all knowing, you can see everything you do, there are no lies there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's another thing that I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There have been people that were sort of not clear on what they
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[SPEAKER_00]: it was only accepted when they were accepting what they did, what they had done, so they had to come clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is no possibilities for lies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot hide anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the whole idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is out in the open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot hide anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your thoughts, your actions, everything is there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you cannot say they are not there because they are clear for everyone to be seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In one case, a woman, a Belgian woman, she was shown her life, and when it was over, she thought, oh, and it was in the presence of everyone else,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there were a lot of others there, or spirits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she was so afraid that people would judge her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was not the case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, everyone was applauding me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're happy that I did this life, that I was going through all this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were so happy with also the mistakes that I made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was so astonished.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love that story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's someone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no judgment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no judgment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let me ask you this then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we're telling our listeners, my listeners, you can you can claim them to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I can claim it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, claim them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're telling our listeners that it's only going to be
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's one hell, there's no, you know, bad thing, you know, we're not going to be spanked, we just have to face it and it's faced, you know, gently, then is that going to make them want to run out and just do whatever they want because they know they get away with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if people think like that and after listening to what we are saying here, and they just go out and kill people or rob a bank or do other nasty things to people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: they oversee something, they oversee that they will feel what they have done to others, but they will feel it from the point of view of the others.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They will become the others.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you, let's say, well, at this moment, there are so many people torturing each others, like you just look at Sudan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: look at what is happening on the West Bank or in Gaza or in Russia, Ukraine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All those wars that's going on, both sides will feel what the other side felt, you will become the other side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Palestinians will become the Israelis and the Israelis become the Palestinians.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Russians become the Ukrainians and the Ukrainians will become the Russians.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also in our own life, we don't have it to see it on a national scale.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can whatever you did today to someone else and saying you, but your listeners, you will be able to feel from the point of view of the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You will become the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And interesting, there is also, let me tell you the story of Ganon Brinkley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a guy who killed a lot of people because he was part of an American organization that had to go to other countries to kill off adversaries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is life review.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He sees all his kills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he sees his kills from his point of view.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but also from the victims point of view, becoming the victim, seeing where the victim came from, and how he came to be there when he was shot, but also the women of victims, and the children of the victims.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So here you see also the ripple effect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because all knowledge is there, everything is there at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the feelings of the children are there as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You will feel what that is to those children.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if people are listening to us say, oh, let's go out and just torture or rob a bank or do something like that, you will feel, you will feel the consequences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I have to tell you better do better do something nice something loving because you will feel the consequences of that as well and you will love it you will love it and I have to tell you to when you're on that other side when you're in that at least in the near death experience that I felt like can't tell you when you're all the way over because I haven't died yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but in this lifetime anyway, but when you're on that other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and you're feeling that life review, you're feeling that you are so naked, you really don't want to be exposed in that way, that it is so much love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and compassion, and you just really don't want to be the bad guy right then and there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can't even express how you don't want anything negative to show because you are in such a place of beauty and love, ultimate and pure love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you are feeling this unconditional love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even though you're not being spanked and you're not being yeah, I sent to hell, um, you are part of that love the last thing you want is to go, oh, look at this, whatever that I did that's such a bad thing, I can't even describe it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me just tell you don't do the bad things because when you get to that place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you really are exposed and you really don't want anything negative to come through because the shame of it at that point is horrendous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you put it well in this way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You put it perfectly right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's, that's how it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're exposed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot hide anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all for anyone to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or the universe to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what some people say also is, I didn't only hurt the other person, but I hurt God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people said that I hurt God by doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, the universe was hurt because of what I did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was felt everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's a bit of to say it because yeah, it's not just I hurt myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hurt God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hurt that other person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hurt the universe by what I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's perfect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we should probably wrap it up because I
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't stay on forever with you, even though I really like to pull all this great information out of you, but I know where you live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I may be calling on you again, but this is such good information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was so nice to be with you, Kat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a I love we know each other from the conferences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The audience conferences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we dance together and it's always, it's always a joy to see you and to have conversations with you, I love you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love you too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope you're going to be in Seattle this year for the conference and depends on certain things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OK. Well, I hope to see you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I hope I hope I will be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope so too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if not, I do know where to find you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but thank you again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really, really appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And all your wealth and knowledge right here from my listeners.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll do this again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What if you could feel how every choice you've made affected the people around you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Near death experiences often go through what's called a life review.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they don't just see their actions, they feel them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Through the eyes and hearts of everyone they've encountered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In this episode, I talk with Researcher Bob Copes about why these reviews are so transformative and how each of us will one day experience our own.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Their stories offer a powerful opportunity to live more consciously, with more love, starting now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Dial Up Intuition, a podcast that invites you to awaken and expand your intuition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Kat Sanders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a radio and television broadcaster before a massive brain hemorrhage caused me to flatline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That life-changing event led to a beautiful near-death experience, and when I came back, I returned with some profound truths and the ability to connect with the other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In this podcast we'll explore these truths and learn how to strengthen your intuition and intuitive gifts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll hear conversations with remarkable intuitives who share how their gifts came alive, evolved, and became part of their daily lives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So whether you're just beginning your intuitive journey, or you're ready to go deeper, this is your space to be inspired, guided, and reminded that your intuitive gift was always within you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's begin and dial up our intuition together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I am here with Robert Christopher Cops and I am bringing him back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert is a scientist former banker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has spent decades exploring near death experiences and sharing his insights through lectures across the United States and Europe and his latest book impressions of near death experiences is a rich tapestry of quotes from hundreds of experiences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When he regards as life's greatest teachers, he serves on the board of the International Association for near-death studies, he is currently residing in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, where he volunteers with children who are struggling in school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know you are writing another book and I can't wait to have that one come out because I love your current book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I am really glad to have you here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to talk today about life reviews.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you for coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for having me catch again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, the next book is just the second edition of the first one with some editions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's I'm working on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OK. Good, good, good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So life reviews.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So first of all, what is a life review?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who gets some explain what I'm going to use all about?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, a life review is a very special interesting art of an NDE and not everyone has the same near death experience, not the same NDE.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's I always want to say that up front to people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They all differ.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are all different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and a number of those, or a subset of the NDE's, there is a life review, and a life review is exactly what it says it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It gives you a review of your life, and it can be a part of your life, it can be the whole life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It can show in different ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people say it's like a film that is being played before you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people say it's like pictures that are there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And some people say, oh, there was one person he said, it was like I was standing in the middle of a football stadium.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And where all the people were sitting, there were television screens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I could just focus on one screen and see that episode in my life that was a specific specifically dedicated to that part of my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I would turn and look somewhere else, I would see something else of my life, but my whole life was there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I find the most interesting part of a life review in an
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[SPEAKER_00]: is where people constantly say, you see what you did to others but from different points of view.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see it from your own point of view, of course, because you were the doer or the one who was acting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you see it also from all the other people that were there that you
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it can be anything nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what you see, but you see it from the other point of view.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you become the others.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if it is something nice, you will revel in the fact that you did something nice, you will be happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you did something less lovingly,
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[SPEAKER_00]: then you will suffer from that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You will feel the pain on behalf of the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is really what I understand from people of AdSuch and Experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is, that can be very painful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a life changer, the whole thing, the whole near death experience, is a life changer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But having a life review where you feel what others went through because of what you did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is even more so a life changer because when you come back again, you think twice before you do something else or when you do something nasty to people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to stress also that near death experiences don't become saints.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So after their experience that they can do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've said that nasty things to people, we are always human beings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are still making mistakes, but they know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they know that other people have feelings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They become more empathetic, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had a bit of a life review, but I feel like I got a little bit
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it, uh, I actually had a couple of lessons I went into this like missed, which was really weird, like I was kind of in or on a cloud kind of in and I had this lesson that was like, you know a couple of things wrong and you need to learn the right way and I had this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: line up of individuals and this is what I was taught in the church that I attended for a long time and it was a lineup of okay this is how you think the hierarchy goes for who's good and who's not and it's like okay so these are the people that don't sin much or their sins are very limited and then these are the people who sin more and these are the people that are bad because
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[SPEAKER_01]: of what your religion has taught you and what you've got stuck in your head, you know, these people are these people are really good and these people aren't so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, because this person has this religion that you think is totally wrong and this person sinned because they did this bad thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then this lineup of people was all kind of mushed together
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then this source, this godlike person kind of wrapped his big old arms around these now small people, but all one and said, would I forsake any of my children, they're all the same, they're all equal in my eyes and you do not have the right to judge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and they're all the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was basically shown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you've got this all wrong, you know, yeah, you have it wrong, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can imagine that because that's also what I understood from NDE or is there, there is no hierarchy there, is there is no better people or lesser people or richer people there, there's no materiality there, so it being rich here doesn't mean anything there, and we are all the same, we are all
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[SPEAKER_00]: loved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are all of equal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then I was shown I was shown a few things that had happened to me that were that were bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some bad experiences that things that had happened to me that were very painful and frightening and and such that I had been through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then those things had affected
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I reacted to that in a way that I took it out on, well, this one, this one girl that wanted to be my friend and it was like, no, no, because you have that kind of an accent and you come from that place and so I'm afraid of you because you're going to be in a gang and they're going to hurt me and so she just wanted to be my friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was shown how much I hurt that person by rejecting her friendship and what it did to her and how it made her not want to be friends with people like me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a life review lesson for me and even though I had grown up and I wasn't like that anymore, it still showed me what I did and how it hurt her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a big life lesson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, then I was shown, you look into people's eyes and you see who they are and you see that they are all beautiful people with source and oneness in them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you stop judging people based on the fact that you were hurt, the fact that you were injured,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was my life review and it wasn't, it was a kind of a mini life review because I didn't get to see like you were explaining, but it was enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I came back realizing that I have got to forget about things that may have happened to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And apparently this story is so important for you in the rest of your life that maybe that was enough for you to see while being on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And some people need to see the whole thing, the whole life they had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then bring that back here to tell people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for you, that was, and it shows me that another thing that I understood from near-death experiences is that beer, which you had for the the girl because you thought she came from a certain background and you were afraid of that, beer is destructive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has nothing to do with law.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's understandable, your reaction as a child, of course, everyone's reaction is understandable in the end, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why on the other side, there is no judgment, also, something we should talk about too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you would have been more loving to her instead of being afraid, then things would
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it would have added more energy to the world, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I say that not that I want to correct you or so, whatever, that's not the reason why I say it is, we all have fears, and every time we are afraid of something, it reduces the energy, it reduces the love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fear is a very,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, bad or sad thing to have, because it makes a lot of, it breaks a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even though I got jipped, I didn't have like a lot of people or like some people have had, but it has included the good things that I did and other things, I got what I needed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is the same, and this is something I need to get over is that yes, I was hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that I need to look in people's eyes and see that everyone is one with me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing that I said just before is that there is no judgment, that's very important of life views too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I understand from the end of the years is that the life review shows can show everything apparently in your case, not everything, but you can see anything what you did and you will feel it from the other point of view, you will be that other person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you will feel not very happy when you did something not so positive to someone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in the end there is no judgment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is no one telling you you did it so wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to go here or there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to go to hell or progatory or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not it's not there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and that makes it very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to give you an example from my book, also, there was his boy of 14 who, who, who, downed and has, uh, NDE and in his NDE, he was in the presence of an angel and he, uh, he was showed his life review and then at the end of it, um, and he said to the angel,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then the the angel said you're going to be judged by the most powerful judge there is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the boy said, uh, oh, and when is that going to happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the angel said, it already has happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The judge is you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it means that there is no judge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if there is a judge, then it's you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can judge yourself sufficiently when you are in the presence of this
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[SPEAKER_00]: all loving, sports, and with all knowing, you can see everything you do, there are no lies there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's another thing that I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There have been people that were sort of not clear on what they
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[SPEAKER_00]: it was only accepted when they were accepting what they did, what they had done, so they had to come clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is no possibilities for lies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot hide anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the whole idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is out in the open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot hide anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your thoughts, your actions, everything is there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you cannot say they are not there because they are clear for everyone to be seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In one case, a woman, a Belgian woman, she was shown her life, and when it was over, she thought, oh, and it was in the presence of everyone else,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there were a lot of others there, or spirits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she was so afraid that people would judge her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was not the case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, everyone was applauding me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're happy that I did this life, that I was going through all this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were so happy with also the mistakes that I made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was so astonished.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love that story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's someone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no judgment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no judgment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let me ask you this then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we're telling our listeners, my listeners, you can you can claim them to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I can claim it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, claim them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're telling our listeners that it's only going to be
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's one hell, there's no, you know, bad thing, you know, we're not going to be spanked, we just have to face it and it's faced, you know, gently, then is that going to make them want to run out and just do whatever they want because they know they get away with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if people think like that and after listening to what we are saying here, and they just go out and kill people or rob a bank or do other nasty things to people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: they oversee something, they oversee that they will feel what they have done to others, but they will feel it from the point of view of the others.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They will become the others.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you, let's say, well, at this moment, there are so many people torturing each others, like you just look at Sudan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: look at what is happening on the West Bank or in Gaza or in Russia, Ukraine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All those wars that's going on, both sides will feel what the other side felt, you will become the other side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Palestinians will become the Israelis and the Israelis become the Palestinians.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Russians become the Ukrainians and the Ukrainians will become the Russians.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also in our own life, we don't have it to see it on a national scale.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can whatever you did today to someone else and saying you, but your listeners, you will be able to feel from the point of view of the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You will become the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And interesting, there is also, let me tell you the story of Ganon Brinkley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a guy who killed a lot of people because he was part of an American organization that had to go to other countries to kill off adversaries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is life review.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He sees all his kills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he sees his kills from his point of view.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but also from the victims point of view, becoming the victim, seeing where the victim came from, and how he came to be there when he was shot, but also the women of victims, and the children of the victims.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So here you see also the ripple effect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because all knowledge is there, everything is there at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the feelings of the children are there as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You will feel what that is to those children.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if people are listening to us say, oh, let's go out and just torture or rob a bank or do something like that, you will feel, you will feel the consequences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I have to tell you better do better do something nice something loving because you will feel the consequences of that as well and you will love it you will love it and I have to tell you to when you're on that other side when you're in that at least in the near death experience that I felt like can't tell you when you're all the way over because I haven't died yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but in this lifetime anyway, but when you're on that other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and you're feeling that life review, you're feeling that you are so naked, you really don't want to be exposed in that way, that it is so much love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and compassion, and you just really don't want to be the bad guy right then and there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can't even express how you don't want anything negative to show because you are in such a place of beauty and love, ultimate and pure love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you are feeling this unconditional love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even though you're not being spanked and you're not being yeah, I sent to hell, um, you are part of that love the last thing you want is to go, oh, look at this, whatever that I did that's such a bad thing, I can't even describe it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me just tell you don't do the bad things because when you get to that place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you really are exposed and you really don't want anything negative to come through because the shame of it at that point is horrendous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you put it well in this way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You put it perfectly right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's, that's how it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're exposed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot hide anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all for anyone to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or the universe to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what some people say also is, I didn't only hurt the other person, but I hurt God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people said that I hurt God by doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, the universe was hurt because of what I did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was felt everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's a bit of to say it because yeah, it's not just I hurt myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hurt God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hurt that other person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hurt the universe by what I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's perfect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we should probably wrap it up because I
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't stay on forever with you, even though I really like to pull all this great information out of you, but I know where you live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I may be calling on you again, but this is such good information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was so nice to be with you, Kat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a I love we know each other from the conferences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The audience conferences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we dance together and it's always, it's always a joy to see you and to have conversations with you, I love you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love you too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope you're going to be in Seattle this year for the conference and depends on certain things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OK. Well, I hope to see you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I hope I hope I will be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope so too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if not, I do know where to find you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but thank you again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really, really appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And all your wealth and knowledge right here from my listeners.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll do this again.
